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June 14, 2009

Global Warming News - May 2009

Real News Stories To Share With Global-Warming Skeptics

United States
According to NOAA's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, NC, April temperatures were slightly warmer than average for the contiguous United States, based on records going back to 1895. The average May temperature of 62.5 degrees F was 1.4 degrees F above the 20th Century average. However, it was cooler in some areas than others...

In the Fargo ND and Moorhead MN area, May 2009 finished 3.6 degrees F below average, making it the sixth consecutive month with cooler-than-normal temperatures. The long-term average May temperature is 57.4 degrees. In May, the average temperature finished at 53.8 degrees, making it the 49th-coolest May in that area since 1881. Not only did May continue the current stretch of cool weather, it also continued a long-term trend of cool Mays, as 10 out of the past 15 Mays in the Fargo-Moorhead area have been cooler than average, with many being well below average. With the exception of 1998, most of the warmer-than-normal Mays during that stretch have been just slightly above the long-term average. Cool and late springs have become the norm in the past decade.


Motorcyclist on Blue Ridge Parkway - May 18.

On May 18th, record cold temps were being forecast in Asheville, North Carolina and surrounding areas. An overnight low of 35F was forecast for the Asheville Regional Airport with higher elevations getting even colder, according to the National Weather Service. Light patchy frost was possible in some areas. "You can have frost in the upper 30s, which can damage those tender, sensitive plants like tomatoes, cucumbers and squash," Linda Blue said, a gardening specialist with the N.C. Cooperative Extension Service.

“We just have an air mass of Canadian origin that continues to work south in the area,” said Chris Horne, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Greer, SC, which monitors Western North Carolina weather. “We are forecasting a record low for early Tuesday.” The projection called for a low of 35 degrees at the Asheville Regional Airport. The current record low for May 19th is 36 degrees, which occurred in 1976. Marshall was forecast to be 33, Spruce Pine 34 and Swannanoa 33 degrees.

On the same day, a frost warning was issued by the National Weather Service throughout most areas of northeast Ohio away from Lake Erie. Three different weather stations in the region had already set record cold readings that morning. The mercury dropped to 34 degrees at Cleveland Hopkins Airport in Cleveland, breaking the previous mark of 36F, set in 1985. It was even colder in nearby, Erie, PA, where a new low of 30 degrees was set, breaking the old record of 35F set in 1938. It also dropped to 30 degrees at the Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport in Vienna Township, breaking a record of 33F set in 1983.

Danny McConnell, who runs the 150-acre McConnell Farms in Dana in Henderson County, said he would cover the tomato plants he had out, and pull in some nursery plants back into his greenhouses. “We've never had to deal with one this late, and we've never had to think about it,” said grower Amanda Sizemore, who runs a farm in the Cane Creek area of southern Buncombe County with her husband, Jeremy. “The frost is what'll get us.” They just finished planting two acres of tomatoes, and she said they couldn't do much to protect them from severe cold.

On May 31st, a frost advisory was issued for most of New York state. The advisory issued by the National Weather Service remained in effect until 8 a.m. on Monday, June 1st. Temperatures were expected to fall into the mid-to-low 30s, and a hard frost was likely as temperatures in colder areas approached freezing. Brad Alcott, owner of Alcott's Greenhouses in Waterville, said the possible frost might catch some gardeners off guard. "Memorial Day has always been the rule of thumb for planting in the garden. So June 1st is definitely late," he said.

Alcott said the lastest frost he remembers in Oneida County occurred on June 6th. He also said the last frost of the spring is historically associated with a full moon, which this year fell on June 7th. The region’s low temperature for May 31st was expected to be about 36 degrees, which would also match the record low temperature for May 31st set in 1966, according to WKTV meteorologists and weather archives.


Canada
According to Joseph D’Aleo (CCM, ICECAP), as of May 26th, the month had been "frigid", slowing the planting and emergence of the summer crops in Canada. Late freezes and even snows were still occurring regularly and were expected through the end of the month. Parts of central Canada (around Churchill, Manitoba) were running 16F below normal for the month through the 26th. In Churchill, every day of the month saw lows below freezing, and only 6 out of the first 26 days days had highs edge above freezing. The forecast through the rest of the month was for more cold with even some snow on May 26th in Churchill, and again over the weekend perhaps even further south. Hudson Bay remained mostly frozen, though most of the seasonal melting typically occurs in June and July. The chart below shows the May 2009 temperature anomalies (that is, departure from normal) through May 24th.


May temp anomalies (Click to enlarge).

Local trees bloomed later than usual in Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. According to Ted Meseyton of the Central Plains Herald Leader, "The end of May is the latest I’ve ever seen a prairie grown apricot tree flower. Cherry trees are dragging behind too." Normally, apricot trees come into bloom much earlier and they can get nipped by frost, which will impact fruit quality and quantity.

It was a cold and brutal May in Ottawa for gardeners eager to bed down their annuals -- and for the businesses hoping to sell them. May saw only about four days in a row of decent temperatures, according to senior Environment Canada climatologist David Phillips. “Hollywood could not have described a worse end to May,” he said. On Sunday, May 31st, at 2 p.m. for example, the temperature sat at a dismal 5C, with winds gusting up to 37 km/h from the northwest. The observation station at Gatineau’s airport reported ice pellets at about 3:30 p.m., according to Environment Canada meteorologist Mark Seifert. Early on the morning of June 1st, the temperature dropped to 3.9C, a cold not seen on that date since 1945.

Local gardening centers reported the effects of the wet and chilly weather. Marc Arnold, one of the owners of Rockcliffe Landscaping Design Centre & Nursery, said that while landscaping work requests have remained steady, “nursery sales are down for sure... There hasn’t really been a good weekend to go out and buy stuff,” he said. “It’s either been raining, or cool, or both.” Arnold said he can’t remember a cooler May in at least the past five years, and he’s been in the business for 20.


Australia
Alice Springs, the second largest city in the Northern Territory, had its coldest May day on record, with the temperature reaching just 9.6C on Saturday, May 30th. After a balmy 29.6 degrees Celsius the previous Sunday, winter came two days early to the Red Centre. Jenny Farlow from the weather bureau said Saturday was the coldest May day ever recorded in Alice Springs. And it was only slightly warmer on Sunday, May 31st, reaching just 10.8C. "It was actually really interesting because the minimums were very close to the maximums," she said. The cooler temperatures and steady rain caused havoc for some sporting events, including the weekend's horse racing.


Scientific Opinion

MIT Climate Study: On May 19th, MIT announced the results of a new study which said global warming could be "double previous estimates"...


Ronald Prinn and his research group at MIT.

The most comprehensive modeling yet carried out on the likelihood of how much hotter the Earth's climate will get in this century shows that without rapid and massive action, the problem will be about twice as severe as previously estimated six years ago - and could be even worse than that...

To illustrate the range of probabilities revealed by the 400 simulations, Prinn and the team produced a "roulette wheel" that reflects the latest relative odds of various levels of temperature rise. The wheel provides a very graphic representation of just how serious the potential climate impacts are.

--David Chandler, Climate Change Odds Much Worse Than Thought, 19 May 2009


Now, I must point out that the MIT study did not completely rely on the use of these roulette wheels, which in and of itself would be a farce. According to the MIT announcement...

The study uses the MIT Integrated Global Systems Model, a detailed computer simulation of global economic activity and climate processes that has been developed and refined by the Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change since the early 1990s. The new research involved 400 runs of the model with each run using slight variations in input parameters, selected so that each run has about an equal probability of being correct...

--David Chandler, Climate Change Odds Much Worse Than Thought, 19 May 2009

However, it is equally clear that even if a computer developed those roulette wheels, there is a clear bias in the results. The problem with computers is GIGO: "Garbage In = Garbage Out". Anyone looking at the two roulette wheels can see at a glance that the odds are "rigged". The wheel on the left is supposed to represent how much warmer the earth will become if we enact a policy to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. The possibilities vary from 1°C up to 4°C, with nearly 50% of the wheel occupied by the value of 2-2.5°C. The wheel on the right is supposed to represent how much warmer the earth will become if no policy is enacted to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. The possibilities vary from 1°C up to 7°C+, with approximately 60% of the wheel occupied by the values of 4°C up to 6°C. The wheel on the right shows values for 1°C up to 3°C occupying less than 1% of the wheel, meaning that it is a virtually unattainable target.

What's worse, is that this study used these probabilities to make a prediction about how much global-warming we can expect by the year 2100, and their estimate is nearly double what current alarmist computer models have suggested! This despite the fact that current global temperatures are declining; a decline that was not predicted by the current alarmist computer models. As you might imagine, the MIT study raised a lot of eyebrows and got a lot of reaction...


Comments On New MIT Climate Study: Chip Knappenberger, at the MasterResource blog made the following comments about the new MIT climate study...

Considering that climate models are predicting global temperatures to be rising at a rate far greater than they actually are, you would think that the model developers would be taking a long, hard look at their models to try to figure out why they are on the verge of failing. In fact, I would expect to soon start to see papers in the scientific literature from various modeling groups attempting to explain why their models have gone awry and to provide an accompanying downward revision of their projections of 21st century temperature change. After all, how long a period of no warming can be tolerated before the forecasts of the total warming by century’s end have to be lowered? We’re already into our ninth year of the 100 year forecast period and we have no global warming to speak of (Figure 1).


Figure 1. Observed monthly global temperature anomalies, January 2001 through April 2009 as compiled by the Climate Research Unit.

So imagine my surprise when a paper just appeared in the Journal of Climate by a group of researchers at MIT that nearly doubled the existing expectations of the total warming by the year 2100! This is quite a gutsy group, for not only are they saying that the prevailing model projections -- which are already way too hot -- are warming things up too slowly, but that when they re-examine the model inputs, they predict a best-guess warm-up that lies very near the current worse-case projections. The research group led by Andrei Sokolov and Ronald Prinn expects that the most likely warming by the year 2100 to be 5.2ºC with a 90% confidence range bounded by 3.5ºC on the low side and 7.4ºC on the high side. Like I said, gutsy. Just to put that in perspective, I present Figure 2 which shows generally what the temperature rise during the next 90 years, 7 months needs to look like for that prediction to be true.


Figure 2. Observed and projected 21st century temperatures and trends.

This is utterly incredible and virtually impossible. As a picture is valued at about thousand words, I probably couldn’t come up with a thousand more choice ones than Figure 2 is worth. So I’ll leave it at that.

Update: Several commentors have asked to see a longer-term history of observations against which to compare the MIT 21st century projections. Since the projections only cover the period from 2001 to 2100, I originally only showed the observations that thus far have occurred during that period (Figure 2). But for those who want to see a longer perspective, I introduce Figure 3, the observed temperatures since 1900 along with the MIT 21st century projections. To me, this doesn’t make the projection look any better, but you can judge for yourself.


Figure 3. Observed temperatures from 1900 through 2008 along with the 21st century projections from MIT.

--Chip Knappenberger, The New MIT Climate Study: A Real World Inversion?, 28 May 2009


The MIT Global Warming Gamble: Dr. Roy W. Spencer, a climatologist, author and former NASA scientist, also had a few words to say about the MIT study. Here are some excerpts...

Climate science took another step backward last week as a new study from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology was announced which claims global warming by 2100 will probably be twice as bad as the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has predicted...

Since that average rate of warming (about 0.5 deg. C per decade) is at least 2 times the observed rate of global-average surface temperature rise over the last 30 years, this would require our current spate of no warming to change into very dramatic and sustained warming in the near future. And the longer Mother Nature waits to comply with the MIT group’s demands, the more severe the warming will have to be to meet their projections...

Of course, as readers of this web site will know, the MIT results are totally dependent upon the climate sensitivity that was assumed in the climate model runs that formed the basis for their calculations. And climate modelers can get just about any level of warming they want by simply making a small change in the processes controlling climate sensitivity...

So, since the sensitivity of the climate system is uncertain, these researchers followed the IPCC’s lead of using ‘statistical probability’ as a way of treating that uncertainty. But as I have mentioned before, the use of statistical probabilities in this context is inappropriate. There is a certain climate sensitivity that exists in the real climate system, and it is true that we do not know exactly what that sensitivity is. But this does not mean that our uncertainty over its sensitivity can be translated into some sort of statistical probability.

--Roy W. Spencer, Ph.D, The MIT Global Warming Gamble, 23 May 2009

Dr. Spencer also provides us with a "slightly-retouched photo of the MIT research group"...


To read the whole article go HERE.


IPCC Member Is "Climate Realist": Dr. Willem de Lange is a Senior Lecturer in the Department of Earth and Ocean Sciences at the University of Waikato, New Zealand, specializing in coastal oceanography. He deals mostly with coastal hazards, including tsunami, storm surges, sea level rise, coastal erosion and waterspouts. Since many coastal hazards are affected by climate he has been involved in researching climate variability and its effect at the coast. According to a May 23rd article he authored for the New Zealand Centre for Political Research (NZCPR), de Lange describes his IPCC experience...

In 1996 the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) Second Assessment Report was released, and I was listed as one of approximately 3000 “scientists” who agreed that there was a discernable human influence on climate [emphasis in original].

I was an invited reviewer for a chapter dealing with the economic impact of sea level rise on small island nations. In keeping with IPCC procedures, the chapter was written and reviewed in isolation from the rest of the report, and I had no input into the process after my review of the chapter draft. I was not asked if I supported the view expressed in my name, and my understanding at the time was that no evidence of a discernable human influence on global climate existed [emphasis in original].

The chapter I reviewed dealt primarily with the economic consequences of an assumed sea level rise of 1m causing extensive inundation. My response was that I could not comment on the economic analysis, however, I disagreed with the initial assumptions, particularly the assumed sea level rise in the stated time period. Further, there was good evidence at the time that sea level rise would not necessarily result in flooding of small island nations, because natural processes on coral atolls were likely to raise island levels... Subsequent research has demonstrated that coral atolls and associated islands are likely to increase in elevation as sea level rises. Hence, the assumptions were invalid, and I was convinced that IPCC projections were unrealistic and exaggerated the problem.

Following the release of IPCC Second Assessment Report I also co-authored the sea level rise section of the New Zealand impact report, and same section for a revised report following the release of IPCC Third Assessment Report (2001)... For the New Zealand 2001 report, I was asked to state that sea level rise was accelerating, or at least could be accelerating [emphasis added]. However, my own research and published literature shows that sea level fluctuates at decadal time scales. Therefore, although there was an increase in the rate of sea level rise around 1998, I expected sea level rise to slow and reverse early in the 21st Century. The underlying long-term trend, however, was likely to decrease, and there were some tide gauge data to indicate that it had started to do so. In the 1980s, the New Zealand rate was 1.8mm per year. By 1990, it was 1.7mm per year, and by 2001 it was 1.6mm per year. These changes are small, and were not enough to prove that sea level rise was slowing. However, they clearly did not show that sea level rise was accelerating [emphasis added].

--Dr. Willem de Lange, Why I am a Climate Realist, 23 May 2009

Dr. de Lange's comments suggest several things. First, that the IPCC's procedure of having people write or review Assessment chapters in isolation is problematic. While it may speed up the process by setting out simple goals and eliminating interaction with others, it does not permit healthy collaboration with or feedback from peers. Second, the IPCC prevented reviewers and authors from participating in the process after their initial work was done, so that those who DID participate in the process could develop their final product unimpeded, all of which raises questions about manipulation. Third, the IPCC abused its privilege by implying that everyone who contributed to the Assessment Reports supported the IPCC's conclusions despite the fact that they were not even asked to weigh in on those conclusions. Fourth, IPCC contributors who questioned the assumptions or the premises of the scenarios which were presented to them were ignored. Fifth, the IPCC asked contributors to write or review work with specific predetermined goals in mind (for example, "say that sea level rise is accelerating"). As such, the UN IPCC Assessment Reports can hardly be described as "scientific".

Dr. de Lange then goes on to provide several fundamental reasons why he believes global-warming is not man-made. All of them are related to oceanography, his field of study. They are too complicated to discuss in detail here, but I will try to summarize. Regarding sea level, he speaks of satellite data being in conflict with actual tide guage data. Although the tide guage data is more accurate, IPCC relies on the satellite data. Despite the IPCC's projections of continued sea level rise, sea levels have actually declined since 2001. He says that, "Climate change occurs in cycles at various time scales, with the shorter time scales known as weather." He says that CO2 does not affect climate, but rather climate affects CO2. He talks about negative feedback loops where the environment tends to counterbalance itself. For example, warming oceans evaporate water and create clouds that reflect sunlight and heat back into space. Rain from clouds created by evaporation also tend to cool the ocean's surface. He says that the atmosphere cannot heat the oceans "to any significant degree" because...

99.9 percent of ocean heat is derived from sunlight at wavelengths less than 3 microns. The balance is mostly from heat leaking from the interior of the Earth. The Greenhouse Effect involves a delay in the loss of infra-red radiation at wavelengths greater than 5 microns.

Dr. de Lange also talks about natural cyclical patterns of ocean warmings and coolings that have occured over thousands of years "evident in paleoclimate data". He says that the current temperature increase suggests that it is part of a natural cycle. He says that we are still coming out of the Little Ice Age and that warming oceans have released dissolved CO2 into the atmosphere rather than man-made CO2 causing the oceans to warm. His conclusion...

So, I am a climate realist because the available evidence indicates that climate change is predominantly, if not entirely, natural. It occurs mostly in response to variations in solar heating of the oceans, and the consequences this has for the rest of the Earth’s climate system. There is no evidence to support the hypothesis [of] runaway catastrophic climate change due to human activities [emphasis added]. --Dr. Willem de Lange, Why I am a Climate Realist, 23 May 2009


Cooler Decades Ahead: Ned Rozell at SitNews from Ketchikan, Alaska said on May 28th that the forecast for average global temperatures during the next few decades will be cool according to Syun-Ichi Akasofu. Ned Rozell, a science writer at the Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska Fairbanks, discusses Akasofu's comments...

Akasofu, the former director of the University of Alaska Fairbanks' Geophysical Institute and International Arctic Research Center, was known as an aurora expert for most of his career. Now, people are citing his opinions on global warming. Rush Limbaugh and syndicated columnist Cal Thomas recently mentioned Akasofu, who thinks it's likely that the planet will cool down until about 2030, and then warm slightly thereafter. That notion is contrary to the prediction of steadily increasing warmth made by members of the IPCC. Unlike those scientists, Akasofu thinks natural forces affect climate much more than carbon dioxide, which warms the globe by trapping heat.

Akasofu, who gave a recent presentation on his ideas in Fairbanks, bases his cooling prediction on his studies of climate records that go back several centuries, such as the breakup date of a lake in Japan that people have documented since the 1400s. He looks back to the distant past to try to see patterns of natural changes that have been occurring before levels of carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere began skyrocketing after World War II.

When he looks at long-term climate records, Akasofu sees a consistent warming since about 1800. For him, it's as simple as drawing a straight line through the ups and downs of global temperature from 1800 to 2000. "This is why glaciers have been melting since about 1800," he said. "Because the planet is still warming up from the Little Ice Age (a cold period from about 1400 to 1800)."

"The IPCC paid attention to only the latest temperature rise, from 1975 to 2000," Akasofu said. "This is what I call 'instant climatology.' They didn't look at the Little Ice Age. There's no excuse for that." Akasofu has a similar critique of scientists who compare photos of glaciers that have shrunken in the last decades -- that it's too brief a look at Earth's climate. "It's not the whole story," he said...

Akasofu said that we have just crested the top of one of the warm peaks. He predicts that the average global temperature will continue to drop until about 2030. "In fact, world temperatures have already stopped rising, since 1998, which annoys the IPCC," he said. He also pointed out that a similar change happened in 1940, when the Earth cooled until about 1975. At the end of this century, in the year 2100, the average world temperature will be a few tenths of a degree warmer than the temperature now, Akasofu predicts. His view contradicts the most recent IPCC predictions of world temperatures rising by 3 to 6 degrees Celsius by 2100.

Akasofu is no stranger to the role of contrarian. He has followed gut feelings throughout his career, such as the time he looked beyond an accepted idea about the aurora and came up with the theory of the aurora substorm, when the aurora bursts with activity more than once each night. Aurora scientists will remember him for that insight, and they still refer to his 1964 substorm paper as a classic.

--Ned Rozell, Cooler Decades ahead, Researcher Says, 28 May 2009


Spotless Sun: According to Spaceweather.com, a "spotless day" is a day without sunspots, a day when the face of the sun is utterly blank. By the standard of spotless days, the ongoing solar minimum is the deepest in a century. In 2008, no sunspots were observed on 266 of the year's 366 days (73%). To find a year with more blank suns, you have to go all the way back to 1913, which had 311 spotless days (85%).


The lack of sunspots in 2008, made it a century-level year in terms of solar quiet. Remarkably, sunspot counts for 2009 have dropped even lower. As of March 31st, there were no sunspots on 78 of the year's first 90 days (87%). The mother of all spotless runs was the Maunder Minimum. This was a period from October 15, 1661 to August 2, 1671. It totaled 3579 consecutive spotless days. That puts our current run [as of May 28th] at 17.6+% of the Maunder Minimum.

Anthony Watts at his Watts Up With That? blog said that as of May 27th, we were at 638 spotless days in the current solar minimum. A typical minimum lasts 485 days, based on an average of the last 10 solar minima. The 638 day mark makes this the longest minimum other than the Maunder minimum, the Dalton minimum (solar cycles 5 to 7), and the unnamed minimum of solar cycles 10 + 12 to 15.


Antarctic Warming Falsified: On January 22, 2009, the journal Nature published the results of a study by Steig et al. which said that...

significant warming extends well beyond the Antarctic Peninsula to cover most of West Antarctica, an area of warming much larger than previously reported. West Antarctic warming exceeds 0.1°C per decade over the past 50 years, and is strongest in winter and spring. Although this is partly offset by autumn cooling in East Antarctica, the continent-wide average near-surface temperature trend is positive. Simulations using a general circulation model reproduce the essential features of the spatial pattern and the long-term trend.

--Steig et al., Nature, 22 January 2009


Steig et al. Reconstruction

In other words, Steig et al. created computer simulations to reconstruct temperature trends across the entire Antarctic using temperature data from various monitoring stations. Because there are not enough monitoring stations to get an accurate picture of the continent-wide temperature patterns, this group interpolated the data to "reproduce" the missing data. Using certain assumptions and computer modeling, they came to the conclusion that the temperature trend across the entire continent was "positive", that is, warming.

The study came under immediate criticism as it did not seem to bear out other evidence, both anecdotal and quantitative. Now, a thorough review of the study's assumptions, methods, simulation programming, etc. has been completed and the results have dealt a blow to Steig et al. The work was done principally by a person referred to as Ryan O. In a May 20th article at the Air Vent, Jeff Id says...

Ryan has done something amazing here, no joking. He’s recalibrated the satellite data used in Steig’s Antarctic paper correcting offsets and trends, determined a reasonable number of PC’s for the reconstruction and actually calculated a reasonable trend for the Antarctic with proper cooling and warming distributions – He basically fixed Steig et al. by addressing the very concern I had that AVHRR vs surface station temperature(SST) trends and AVHRR station vs SST correlation were not well related in the Steig paper. [emphasis added]

--Jeff Id, the Air Vent, 20 May 2009


Ryan O Reconstruction

In a second article at the Air Vent, Ryan O did more work to verify his earlier work, including the use of additional data from Automatic Weather Stations (AWS) not included in Steig et al. Beyond the incorporation of additional data, he performed "a more comprehensive analysis of performance". He also created several reconstructions in order to "evaluate how well the method reproduces known data", and to determine how his reconstruction compared against Steig's "using the same methods used by Steig in his paper".

The concepts involved are too difficult for me to explain, but suffice it to say here that Ryan O came up with a different set of results than Steig. Whereas Steig showed a more uniform continent-wide temperature increase with a "hot spot" at the Ross Ice Shelf, Ryan O came up with increased warming in the western Antarctic peninsula (where it has been observed), reduced warming across the rest of Antarctica, and even some areas of cooling, including the Ross Ice Shelf (again where it has been observed).


1957-2006 trends; Ryan O (left); Steig (right)
(Click to enlarge)


Vitriolic Climate: Ian Plimer, Professor Emeritus of Earth Sciences at the University of Melbourne in an article at 'The Australian', lists a number of points and unanswered questions against the Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) theory, that were the subject of his recent book Heaven and Earth. Taken together, they form a primer for AGW skeptics. I have listed them here as bullet points slightly modifying some of his phrases for clarification purposes...

  • To demonise element number six [Carbon] in the periodic table is amusing. Why not promethium? Without carbon, there would be no life on Earth.
  • Carbon dioxide is an odourless, colourless, harmless natural gas. It is plant food.
  • The original source of atmospheric CO2 is volcanoes. The Earth's early atmosphere had a thousand times the CO2 of today's atmosphere.
  • Through time, this CO2 has been sequestered into plants, coal, petroleum, minerals and carbonate rocks, resulting in a decrease in atmospheric CO2.
  • The atmosphere now contains 800 billion tons of carbon as CO2. Soils and plants contain 2000 billion tons, oceans 39,000 billion tons and limestone 65,000,000 billion tons.
  • The atmosphere contains only 0.001% of the [world's] total carbon.
  • Deeper in the Earth, there are huge volumes of CO2 yet to be leaked into the atmosphere.
  • So depleted is the atmosphere in CO2, that horticulturalists pump warm CO2 into greenhouses to accelerate plant growth.
  • The first 50 parts per million of CO2 operates as a powerful greenhouse gas. After that, CO2 has done its job, which is why there has been no runaway greenhouse in the past when CO2 was far higher.
  • During previous times of high CO2, there were climate cycles driven by [interplanetary] forces, the sun, Earth's orbit, tides and random events such as volcanoes. These forces still operate. Why should such forces disappear just because we humans live on Earth?
  • A change of 1% in cloudiness can account for all the [temperature] changes measured during the past 150 years, yet cloud measurements are highly inaccurate. Why is the role of clouds ignored?
  • Why is the main greenhouse gas (water vapour) ignored?
  • The limitation of temperature in hot climates is evaporation, yet this is ignored in catastrophist models.
  • Why are balloon and satellite measurements that show cooling ignored, yet unreliable thermometer measurements are used?
  • Is the increase in atmospheric CO2 really due to human activities?
  • Ice cores show CO2 increases [follow] some 800 years after temperature increase, so why can't an increase in CO2 today be due to the medieval warming (900-1300)?
  • If increased concentrations of CO2 increase temperature, why have there been periods of cooling during the past 150 years?
  • Some 85% of volcanoes are [sub-oceanic and therefore] unseen and unmeasured, yet these heat the oceans and add monstrous amounts of CO2 to the oceans. Why have these been ignored?
  • Why have there been five significant ice ages when CO2 was higher than now?
  • Why were warming [periods] in the Minoan, Roman and medieval times natural, yet a smaller warming at the end of the 20th century was due to human activities?
  • If climate changed at the end of the Little Ice Age (c.1850), is it unusual for warming to follow?
  • Computer models using the past 150 years of measurements have been used to predict climate for the next few centuries. Why have these models not been run backwards to validate known climate changes? ... by running these models backwards, El Nino events and volcanoes such as Krakatoa (1883, 535), Rabaul (536) and Tambora (1815) could not be validated.

  • In my book, I correctly predicted the response. The science would not be discussed, there would be academic nit-picking and there would be vitriolic ad hominem attacks by pompous academics out of contact with the community. Comments by critics suggest that few have actually read the book and every time there was a savage public personal attack, book sales rose. A political blog site could not believe that such a book was selling so well and suggested that my publisher, Connor Court, was a front for the mining or pastoral industry...

    Green politics have taken the place of failed socialism and Western Christianity and impose fear, guilt, penance and indulgences on to a society with little scientific literacy. We are now reaping the rewards of politicising science and dumbing down the education system... I have shown that the emperor has no clothes. This is why the attacks are so vitriolic. --Ian Plimer, Vitriolic Climate In Academic Hothouse, 29 May 2009


    Plimer's Book Reviewed: Melanie Phillips at The Spectator, did a review of Ian Plimer's book Heaven and Earth. Here are some of her comments...


    Every so often, a book is published which, it is instantly clear, is the definitive last word on the subject. Such a book has just appeared on the global lunacy of anthropogenic global warming (AGW). In his devastating study Heaven and Earth. Global Warming: The Missing Science (Quartet) Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining Geology at the University of Adelaide and previously Professor of Earth Sciences at the Universities of Melbourne and Newcastle systematically shreds the theory and the hallucinatory propaganda industry it has spawned. There is simply nothing left of it when he has finished – and he does so from the perspective of real science which the theory has so shockingly betrayed.

    Having painstakingly [laid] out the actual scientific facts and evidence involved in the study of climate, he concludes his book with a sustained peroration of fury and contempt at the way such scientific evidence has been dismissed in a breathtaking campaign of ‘cognitive dissonance’. As he says, there is not one shred of actual scientific evidence to sustain the claim of AGW, which rests in its entirety upon charlatanry, fraud, ignorance and ideology.

    --Melanie Phillips, The Modern Heresy Of True Science, 1 June 2009

    You can read the rest of her article HERE.


    Arctic Ice Melting: The global-warming alarmists have been claiming for years that the Arctic ice is melting at "unprecedented" rates, and this will lead to the extinction of the polar bears. In 2007 some alarmists went so far as to suggest that the Arctic would be "ice-free" for "the first time" by 2008.

    As it turns out, their predictions were wrong and Arctic ice is doing just fine at the moment, but Anthony Watts posted a great article at his Watts Up With That? blog, which suggests that the recent melting of Arctic ice is far from "unprecedented". Watts points to pictures that have been taken of nuclear subs at the North Pole where there was little or no ice. In 1958, the USS Skate was the first nuclear sub to surface at North Pole. It surfaced again in 1959...


    USS Skate (SSN-578) at the North Pole, 17 March 1959.


    Seadragon (SSN-584), foreground, and Skate (SSN-578) at North Pole, August 1962.


    Three subs at North Pole, 18 May 1987.


    USS Pargo at the North Pole in 1993.


    The Catlin Ice Follies: On May 16th, Richard Henry Lee at American Thinker discussed the failure of another global warming alarmist effort, the Catlin Arctic Ice Survey (CAS).


    Catlin member Ann Daniels struggles with 120kg sledge.

    Here are some excerpts from the article...

    The global warmists have yet another embarrassment on their hands. The Catlin Arctic Survey was the brainchild of British explorer Pen Hadow who organized an expedition to trek to the North Pole to highlight how global warming was melting the Arctic ice cap. But his quest was thwarted when Mother Nature responded with fierce winds, bitter cold temperatures, and just plain lousy weather which destroyed ice measuring equipment and hampered resupply efforts, which at one point, left the team close to starvation...

    The problems for the Catlin team began shortly after they were airlifted to a point on the ice north of Canada about 942 kilometers from the North Pole. A fierce storm arrived with high winds and cold temperatures of -40 deg C which took a toll on equipment and the team. The high tech ice measuring equipment broke down along with the data communications equipment. The three person team also suffered from the brutal conditions and one of the team members had frostbite. As a result the team only covered a total of 434 km, which is less than half way to the pole...

    The CAS made their trip at a time when the Arctic sea ice extent is recovering this year and is close to the historic averages for May. This recovery apparently reflects less melting due to cooler than average temperatures...

    Plus, the CAS team stated that they were surprised that they did not find more multi-year ice instead of the largely first year ice they encountered. But as noted in Watts Up With That, the team was in fact trekking in an area of largely first year ice so the results are not surprising. Plus, the initial measurement of 5 meters is consistent with second or multi-year ice that the German expedition found...

    The bottom line is that the Catlin team did little to advance the knowledge of the condition of Arctic ice. But they did show that the Arctic weather can be brutal, cold and dangerous. --Richard Henry Lee, The Catlin Ice Follies, 16 May 2009

    To read the entire embarrassing story, go HERE. To see more photos of the Catlin expedition, go HERE.


    Political Opinion

    The Vindication of Carbon: In May, Robert D. Brinsmead, a horticulturist and free-lance Writer, wrote a piece entitled: 'THE VINDICATION OF CARBON MEANS THE VINDICATION OF HUMAN FREEDOM'. It is 5 pages long in PDF format which you can find HERE. The following are some excerpts...

    Global warming alarmism is not a science, but a religio/political movement. This paper will show why it is a dangerous totalitarian ideology and a more serious threat to human freedom than Communism or Nazism. It is also like a bad joke, because carbon just happens to be the most wonderful of all the elements in the periodic table because of its ability to make so many organic compounds that are fundamental to the formation of life. Yet here is a movement that is all about demonizing carbon...

    The war on carbon is an ill-disguised war on humanity, a war on human freedom. Carbon and carbon emissions are simply a proxy for human activity. This whole movement to demonize carbon is driven by a world-denying, man-hating worldview. It is time to rip away the mask and expose the movement whose real aim is to put the human race in chains to a system that controls every aspect of human existence. It is time to stand up and say, “You take your jackboots off my carbon and off my life.”

    --Robert D. Brinsmead, The Vindication of Carbon, May 2009


    Study: Americans Don't Want Cap-and-Trade: According to an article at American Thinker, even those who are "alarmed" about the climate do NOT support a cap-and-trade program to reduce carbon emissions. Here are some excerpts...

    Eighteen percent of Americans have been so “alarmed” by climate alarmists that they’d strongly support any and all policies that would reduce carbon emissions. Any, that is, except cap-and-trade [emphasis added]. In fact, while the group as a whole truly believes that unchecked greenhouse gas emissions will trigger apocalyptic climate change of biblical destructive proportions -- more among them strongly oppose than strongly support a national carbon trading scheme.

    So found researchers at Yale and George Mason universities, who’ve just released the results of an autumn 2008 survey that categorized 2,129 adult Americans into six groups based upon their global warming beliefs, attitudes, fears and behaviors. In addition to the segment appropriately labeled “Alarmed,” in descending order of climate anxiety, they classified the “Concerned,” the “Cautious,” the “Disengaged,” the “Doubtful” and finally, the inappropriately labeled “Dismissive,” hereinafter the “Realists”...

    Of those considered "Concerned", who represented the largest group and mostly consider global warming real and problematic, though less so than the "Alarmed", 12% strongly support cap-and-trade while 15% strongly oppose it. And twice as many of the "Cautious, who are only somewhat convinced that global warming is real and even less concerned about it than are the "Concerned", strongly oppose (16%) than strongly support (8%). Even those who say they neither know nor care much about the subject -- the "Disengaged" -- are more likely to strongly oppose (11%) than strongly support (9%). Not surprisingly, 41% of the Doubtful -- many of whom are actually Realists -- who seriously question warming, its causes, its impact and its proposed remedies, strongly oppose, while a meager 4% strongly support. And -- needless to say -- while absolutely no one in the Realists camp, which essentially rejects manmade global warming outright, strongly supports cap-and-trade, 64% strongly oppose it.

    At the time of this survey, nearly twice the number of Americans strongly opposed cap-and-trade (23%) than strongly supported it (11%) -- and the total number in opposition was 47%...

    --Marc Sheppard, American Thinker, 29 May 2009

    To read the whole article, go HERE. To read the study which the article refers to, go HERE.


    Claim: Climate Change Kills Thousands Each Year: On May 29th, the NY Times (among others), carried a story which said that...

    global warming is causing more than 300,000 deaths and about $125 billion in economic losses each year, according to a report by the Global Humanitarian Forum, an organization led by Kofi Annan, the former United Nations secretary general...

    In a press release describing the report, Mr. Annan stressed the need for the negotiations to focus on increasing the flow of money from rich to poor regions to help reduce their vulnerability to climate hazards while still curbing the emissions of the heat-trapping gases linked to global warming. More than 90 percent of the human and economic losses from climate change are occurring in poor countries, according to the report. [emphasis added]

    --Andrew C. Revkin, Forum Says Climate Shift Brings Deaths, 29 May 2009

    It should be obvious from the quote above, that this report from the Global Humanitarian Forum (GHF) was an agenda-driven propaganda piece. Climate change is being used by international socialists as a mechanism to transfer wealth from rich countries to poor countries. If I am surprised about anything, it is that Kofi Annan was so open about laying out his agenda, and that the NY Times was so open about reporting it. Usually socialists prefer to operate in "stealth mode".


    Pielke: GHF Report "A Methodological Embarassment": In response the GHF report cited above, which claims that 315,000 deaths a year can be attributed to global-warming, Roger Pielke, Jr. of the Colorado University's Center for Science and Technology Policy Research, described it as "a methodological embarrassment". He was quoted in the New York Times article cited above as follows...

    Roger A. Pielke Jr., a political scientist at the University of Colorado, Boulder, who studies disaster trends, said the forum’s report was “a methodological embarrassment” because there was no way to distinguish deaths or economic losses related to human-driven global warming amid the much larger losses resulting from the growth in populations and economic development in vulnerable regions. Dr. Pielke said that “climate change is an important problem requiring our utmost attention.” But the report, he said, “will harm the cause for action on both climate change and disasters because it is so deeply flawed.”

    --Andrew C. Revkin, Forum Says Climate Shift Brings Deaths, 29 May 2009

    At the Promethius Blog, Pielke posted the entire contents of the letter he sent to the New York Times, which included the following comments...

    1. Let me first start by noting that the same group that did the analysis for the UN, the Geo-Risks group in Munich Re, earlier this year published a peer-reviewed paper arguing that the signal of human-caused climate change could not presently be seen in the loss data on disasters. They wrote (emphasis added):

    It should be noted when assessing the results of both this paper and Schmidt et al. (2008) that it is generally difficult to obtain valid quantitative findings about the role of socioeconomics and climate change in loss increases. This is because of criteria such as the stochastic nature of weather extremes, a shortage of quality data, and the role of various other potential factors that act in parallel and interact. We therefore regard our results as being an indication only of the extent to which socio-economic and climate changes account for the increase in losses. Both studies confirm the consensus reached in May 2006 at the international workshop in Hohenkammer attended by leading experts on climate change and natural catastrophe losses.

    I co-organized the Hohenkammer workshop (referred to in the quote above) with Peter Hoeppe of Munich Re and that workshop concluded (among other things):

    Due to data-quality issues, the stochastic nature of extreme event impacts, the lengths of the time series, and various societal factors present in the disaster loss records, it is still not possible to determine what portion of the increase in damage may be due to climate changes caused by GHG [green house gas] emissions.

    and

    The quantitative link (attribution) between storm/flood loss trends and GHG-induced climate changes is unlikely to be determined unequivocally in the near future.

    On p. 84 the GHF report itself says:

    However, there is not yet any widely accepted global estimate of the share of weather related disasters that are attributable to climate change.

    One would think that would be the end of the story. However, to fill in for the fact that there is no accepted estimate, the report conjures up a number using an approach that is grounded in neither logic, science, or common sense.

    2. Specifically, to get around the fact that there has been no attribution of the relationship of GHG emissions and disasters, this report engages in a very strange comparison of earthquake and weather disasters in 1980 and 2005. The first question that comes to mind is, why? They are comparing phenomena with many “moving parts” over a short time frame, and attributing 100% of the resulting difference to human-caused climate change. This boggles the mind...

    3. The report cites and undates the Stern Review Report estimates of disaster losses, however, in a peer-reviewed paper I showed that these estimates were off by an order of magnitude and relied on a similar sort of statistical gamesmanship to develop its results (and of course this critique was ignored):

    Pielke, Jr., R. A., 2007. Mistreatment of the economic impacts of extreme events in the Stern Review Report on the Economics of Climate Change, Global Environmental Change, 17:302-310. (PDF)

    This report is an embarrassment to the GHF and to those who have put their names on it as representing a scientifically robust analysis. It is not even close.

    Best regards,

    Roger

    To read the whole letter go HERE.


    Why It's Easy To Be A Skeptic: Liberal Democrat Tom Fuller has just returned to his home town of San Francisco following 10 years in Europe. He has written technology commentary for The International Herald Tribune's Italy Daily, and consulted on green technology for the UK government. He wrote an article at Examiner.com where he says why he finds it easy to be a global warming skeptic...

    If you look at the behaviour of the activists supporting major action to combat climate change, it is easy to understand why skeptics are so angry. To be blunt, sometimes the activists act like thugs. On a personal level, I have been called a lot of names because I'm not convinced that temperatures will rise as high as alarmists preach. --Tom Fuller, Examiner.com, 26 May 2009

    Fuller then goes on to talk about a rather lengthy comment he made at a blog site, where (among other things) he said...

    The cheesy tactics of some alarmists should not play a big part in our deliberations on this... as a skeptical Dem I believe the Republicans will have a field day with an unelected regulatory agency mandating changes in public behaviour based on what they will call ‘labelling a gas necessary to all life a poison.’ This is a policy error. The Republicans will exploit it. Public opinion, already drifting away from the Gore ‘consensus’, will move away from the Obama administration on this. --Tom Fuller, Examiner.com, 26 May 2009

    He then quotes a remark that was made by another commenter about him, "Tom Fuller, as is typical of anti-science freaks, has no evidence whatsoever to prove that Americans are opposed to green energy and love global warming." He continues...

    But few have gone as far as Al Gore, who contacted 60 Minutes and Nightline to do stories on Mr. [Fred] Singer and other opponents of Mr. Gore's environmental policies. The stories were designed to undermine the opposition by suggesting that only raving ideologues and corporate mouthpieces could challenge Mr. Gore's green gospel. The strategy backfired. When Nightline did the story, it exposed the vice president's machinations and compared his activities to Lysenkoism: "The Stalinist politicization of science in the former Soviet Union.” Ted Koppel summed it up well during the February 24, 1994 Nightline edition when he accused Gore of “resorting to political means to achieve what should ultimately be resolved on a purely scientific basis.”

    If this was a one-time event, it might be easy to pass it off. But there are many similar stories that reinforce the idea that if you disagree with the official story about global warming, you will pay... I'm happy to publish stories defending the actions of those involved, or similar stories regarding poor behaviour by skeptics. The problem is that I haven't seen any accusations of impropriety by skeptics -- it's all about those who are trying to scare us, in my opinion without much cause.

    --Tom Fuller, Examiner.com, 26 May 2009


    The Goode Family: Jamin Brophy-Warren at the Wall Street Journal tells us how the creator of ‘Beavis and Butt-Head’ and ‘King of the Hill’ has a new target: environmentalists. Appropriately titled, Making a Mockery of Being Green, the article outlines the plot and talks about its Director, Mike Judge...

    Director Mike Judge’s new animated television series “The Goode Family” is a send-up of a clan of environmentalists who live by the words “What would Al Gore do?” Gerald and Helen Goode want nothing more than to minimize their carbon footprint. They feed their dog, Che, only veggies (much to the pet’s dismay) and Mr. Goode dutifully separates sheets of toilet paper when his wife accidentally buys two-ply. And, of course, the family drives a hybrid...

    Although Mr. Judge’s past television shows, “Hill” and MTV’s “Beavis and Butt-Head,” have been successful on television and on DVD, some other recent animated series have fizzled... The animation process can be prohibitively expensive, costing more than $2 million per episode for a prospective prime-time project. Part of the problem is that each episode can take up to a year to create...

    Much as Mr. Judge’s series “King of the Hill” finds humor in the dramas of a working-class Texas family, “Goode” lampoons a liberal Midwestern household. In “Goode,” the characters are often mocked for being green just to fit in with their friends and neighbors. They are a perfect target for the 46-year-old Mr. Judge and his two longtime co-writers, John Altschuler and Dave Krinsky, who have made careers out of finding humor in the follies and pretensions of everyday people...

    --Jamin Brophy-Warren, Making a Mockery of Being Green, 22 May 2009


    There's no guarantee the show will be a success. After 4 episodes, viewership has dropped from nearly 4 million for the pilot to less than 2 million. Like Al Gore, maybe environmentalists just aren't that funny.



    25 Comments:

    At 6/14/2009 11:47 PM , Blogger Elroy said...

    Science, huh? So how old is the earth again? And how did we get here? Just checking.

    Cheers

    Elroy

     
    At 6/15/2009 4:12 AM , Blogger camojack said...

    Wow; more thorough than usual, and you're usually quite thorough.

    Incidentally, I was a motorcyclist on the Blue Ridge Parkway...on May 30th.

     
    At 6/15/2009 8:18 AM , Blogger Hawkeye® said...

    Elroy,
    Funny you should ask about the earth's age, considering that CO2 levels were many times higher millions of years ago than they are today, and Gee... somehow life managed to flourish and prosper.

    Cheers

     
    At 6/15/2009 8:19 AM , Blogger Hawkeye® said...

    Camo,
    I hope it was warmer on the 30th than it was on the 18th.

    (:D) Best regards...

     
    At 6/15/2009 8:20 AM , Blogger boberin said...

    You are correct sir...that is one lonnnggg post.
    Break out the parkas!

     
    At 6/15/2009 10:32 PM , Blogger Elroy said...

    Millions of years? Blasphemy! Everyone knows the Earth is only 6000 old! What sort of heretic are you?

    Cheers

    Elroy

     
    At 6/15/2009 11:52 PM , Blogger Hawkeye® said...

    Elroy,
    I'm the "Christian, Conservative, Republican, Sometimes Humorous, Sometimes Satirical, Engineering, Science-oriented, Safety & Environmental, Facilities & Maintenance, Buildings & Grounds, Equipment Installing, Project Management, Fire Alarm Responding, Upper Middle Class, God-Fearing, Patriotic, Guilt-Ridden, White Bastard" sorta heretic.

    (:D) Cheers

     
    At 6/15/2009 11:53 PM , Blogger Hawkeye® said...

    Bob,
    It's not necessarily time to break out the parkas... and it's not necessarily time to panic about global-warming either.

    (:D) Best regards...

     
    At 6/17/2009 12:43 AM , Blogger Elroy said...

    See? It's that 'Science-oriented Christian' bit that I don't understand. Science is the rational observation of repeatable and falsifiable data whereas religion is an irrational belief in unverifiable and phsically impossible superstition, so isn't 'Science-oriented Christian' an oxymoron?

    Cheers

    Elroy

     
    At 6/17/2009 8:51 AM , Blogger Hawkeye® said...

    Elroy,
    There are a lot of things that you don't understand. That's clear from your many comments at this blog. Why you don't understand the concept of 'Science-oriented Christian', is because your premise is entirely false...

    religion is an irrational belief in unverifiable and ph[y]sically impossible superstition.

    - Christianity -- at its essence -- is not a religion, but a personal relationship with God. It has been classified as a religion because of the institutional religious trappings surrounding it that have emerged over the centuries.

    - More importantly, Christianity is not "irrational", except perhaps in your opinion. "Disciples", or followers of Christ, practice the "discipline" which he taught: Putting others first, caring for the needy, turning the other cheek, doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, etc. There is nothing irrational about that.

    - The presence of God's indwelling Holy Spirit is certainly verifiable to those who possess it, even though it may not be physically measured or observed.

    - For an almighty God, nothing is "impossible", and the existence of miracles is proof of that.

    - Christianity is NOT superstition, because superstition is an irrational belief in magic or chance. [For example, sports players are often superstitious and wear a particular hat or jersey because they believe (perhaps subconsciously) that there is "magic" in the garment. Or they might follow a certain routine because they believe there is "magic" in the specific actions.]

    Christianity is a set of guiding principles to live by, taught to us by Jesus of Nazareth. Yes, they do include certain articles of faith, but they are certainly not irrational. By faith, we believe that God will reward righteousness and punish wickedness. By faith we believe that good will triumph over evil.

    And by faith, we also believe that Jesus sacrificed his life for us -- the righteous for the unrighteous -- so that we might be able to have a relationship with God. Again, we verify that relationship when we experience the indwelling presence of God's Holy Spirit... something I suspect, of which you are unaware. Your loss I'm afraid.

    Jesus did not say that we had to become "stupid" to become his followers. In fact, quite the contrary.

    At the time of Christ, there were a wide range of pan-theistic religions with gods of fertility, love, prosperity, etc. There was a big trade in idols -- statues of these gods. Christ instructs us to put away these superstitious practices like idol worship.

    Jesus even instructs us to "be wise as serpents" but "innocent as doves". There is no wisdom in ignoring science. Science is a useful tool in so far as it helps us to understand the natural world. But forgive us Christians if we sometimes disagree with certain as yet unproven scientific hypotheses like evolution or anthropogenic global warming.

     
    At 6/18/2009 1:59 AM , Blogger Elroy said...

    'There are a lot of things that you don't understand. That's clear from your many comments at this blog.'

    Patronizing AND arrogant! How Christian of you! You assume that because I don't agree with you I don't understand, but maybe I think that it's YOU who doesn't understand.

    'Why you don't understand the concept of 'Science-oriented Christian', is because your premise is entirely false...'

    It is? Do go on...


'- Christianity -- at its essence -- is not a religion, but a personal relationship with God. It has been classified as a religion because of the institutional religious trappings surrounding it that have emerged over the centuries.'

    Wow! So in order to defend your position you are going to redefine the word 'religion' – gutsy call! I am reminded of Humpty-Dumpty in Through The Looking Glass: 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

    Webster's defines 'religion' as:

    'The outward act or form by which men indicate their recognition of the existence of a god or of gods having power over their destiny, to whom obedience, service, and honor are due; the feeling or expression of human love, fear, or awe of some superhuman and overruling power, whether by profession of belief, by observance of rites and ceremonies, or by the conduct of life.'

    Christianity ticks all the boxes above, so if is not a religion, then what it is? Having a 'personal relationship with God' is recognizing his/her existence, no? So, therefore...

    As for the 'institutional religious trappings surrounding it that have emerged over the centuries', do you not go to Church? Study the scriptures? If so then you are participating in the perpetuation of 'institutional religious trappings surrounding it that have emerged over the centuries', aren't you?

    And if Christianity is not a religion, then neither is Islam, or Judaism, for they are also about a personal relationship with God, be it Yahweh or Allah. Aren't they? And the same for Hindus, Buddhists, Krishnas etc etc.

    'More importantly, Christianity is not "irrational", except perhaps in your opinion. "Disciples", or followers of Christ, practice the "discipline" which he taught: Putting others first, caring for the needy, turning the other cheek, doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, etc. There is nothing irrational about that.'

    No, there is nothing irrational about that, but it is hardy the exclusive preserve of Christians. In fact, judging from the behavior of the Republican Party's Christian right, it is not their preserve at all. Modern theology has taught its followers to put themselves first, to ignore the needy, to take an eye for an eye and to do unto others before they do unto you.

    
'The presence of God's indwelling Holy Spirit is certainly verifiable to those who possess it'

    This element of Christianity has always struck me as supremely arrogant. 
'I am so special that I cannot possibly be descended from apes, fish or primordial slime – indeed, I am a reflection of a the superior being that created me.' It is merely another attempt to explain the life force. There are many others. Who is correct? No one. Every one.

    'even though it may not be physically measured or observed.'

    Therefore it is unscientific and lacking in rationality; in another word, irrational.
    
'For an almighty God, nothing is "impossible", and the existence of miracles is proof of that.'

     
    At 6/18/2009 2:00 AM , Blogger Elroy said...

    Proof? Prove miracles. Prove that 'miracles' are created by the hand of God and I'll believe. Meanwhile, I'll prove that miracles have a perfectly rational explanation. Care to nominate a 'miracle' to start with? What are the criteria for a 'miracle', anyways?

    
'Christianity is NOT superstition, because superstition is an irrational belief in magic or chance.'

    Hmm. What have we got here? Burning bushes, walking on water, water into wine, healing the blind and lepers – my personal belief about Jesus is, if he existed at all, that he learned more than a few tricks during the 12 twelve years he spent in India – in short, he was a magician, and he returned to India after the 'crucifixion' to live out a long and happy life, eventually dying in Kashmir.

    And what is not superstitious about thinking that certain acts will condemn you to an eternity in hell? Or heaven? There is no proof of it, so therefore it is a superstition as defined by Webster's as 'An excessive reverence for, or fear of, that which is unknown or mysterious.'

    'Christianity is a set of guiding principles to live by, taught to us by Jesus of Nazareth.'

    Those 'guiding principles' where alive and well in many other 'religions' (Oops! There's that word again!) – indeed, it is by only observing
    them that mankind survived at all. Jesus didn't invent them, he just repackaged them for a new audience.

    If it is a 'a set of guiding principles to live by' taught by Jesus, then where does the old testament fit in? I have always wondered how the OT came to be so important to Christians as it seems to me that Jesus was all about rejecting it.

    'Yes, they do include certain articles of faith, but they are certainly not irrational. By faith, we believe that God will reward righteousness and punish wickedness. By faith we believe that good will triumph over evil.'

    And that belief is, by definition, irrational as there is no scientific, rational basis for believing it. Who is righteous, anyway? Who is wicked? It depends who you talk to. Who is good? What is evil? I think torture is evil, thereby I truly think that Cheney is evil. Will God agree with me? Or you?

'And by faith, we also believe that Jesus sacrificed his life for us -- the righteous for the unrighteous -- so that we might be able to have a relationship with God.'

    He didn't sacrifice his life – the Romans did! And even if he did, why was it that act that allows a relationship with God? Why can't I have one anyway?

    'Again, we verify that relationship when we experience the indwelling presence of God's Holy Spirit... something I suspect, of which you are unaware. Your loss I'm afraid.'

    No loss to me, squire – your loss is the freedom in knowing that all is random chance and there is no reason for anything, that we are carbon-based life forms who will one day return to an atomic state. Nothing more.

'Jesus did not say that we had to become "stupid" to become his followers. In fact, quite the contrary.'

    Whoever said Jesus did say that? Actually, as far as I can work out, Jesus didn't say anything – everything he is supposed to have said was in fact reported after the fact, waaay after the fact, by people who said they were there.

     
    At 6/18/2009 2:00 AM , Blogger Elroy said...

    Jesus never wrote anything down himself so all the evidence we have is hearsay and, might I add, a lot more evidence is being withheld.



    'At the time of Christ, there were a wide range of pan-theistic religions with gods of fertility, love, prosperity, etc. There was a big trade in idols -- statues of these gods. Christ instructs us to put away these superstitious practices like idol worship.'

    There were monotheistic religions too, but how do you know Jesus said that? Couldn't that clause have been inserted later by a church offical seeking a monopoly?



    And what is the veneration of Jesus if not idol worship? Where does it say 'You shall have no other Gods above me, apart from my boy. Have you met my son? I'm training Him to take over the business'?

    'Jesus even instructs us to "be wise as serpents" but "innocent as doves".

    And you succeed on both counts.

    'There is no wisdom in ignoring science.'

    Then don't do it.

    'Science is a useful tool in so far as it helps us to understand the natural world.'

    Yes, it is.

    'But forgive us Christians if we sometimes disagree with certain as yet unproven scientific hypotheses like evolution or anthropogenic global warming.'

    No, I won't. What is 'unproven' about evolution? The hard science is there to study. What is 'unproven', however, is creationism, and always will be. Because you can't prove it.

    Another thing you can't do is rely on hard physics on the one hand and ignore them when they are no longer helpful for your argument. I could argue that much of what is in the bible has a rational basis, but while that might prove to you that the Bible's true, to me it means that it is not supernatural, it's just a jumbled telling of stuff that happened.

    But seeing as you are an engineer and a fan, where applicable, of hard science, I wonder how you feel about the incontrovertible, peer-reveiwed evidence of Nanothermite in the dust of the WTC, or that NIST have admitted that WTC fell at free-fall speeds? It's all on the record, it's all physics – or doesn't this science fit your agenda either?

    As for anthropogenic global warming, I think the science is pretty convincing but even if it isn't, and that's a big 'but', good can only come from the actions we take.

    Who said this?

    'Even if there's just a one percent chance of the unimaginable coming true, act as if it's a certainty'.

    Al Gore? No, Dick Cheney.

    Cheers

    Elroy

     
    At 6/18/2009 11:52 AM , Blogger Hawkeye® said...

    Elroy,
    Wow! So in order to defend your position you are going to redefine the word 'religion' – gutsy call! No. What I'm saying is that Jesus never intended for Christianity to become a 'religion' in the sense of outward trappings, rites and rituals. The message of Jesus was that men should become "born again", that is, that they should experience an inward spiritual awakening in order to establish a true relationship with God. Jesus blasted the religious leaders of his day because they appeared "holy" on the outside, but were wicked on in the inside...

    "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but within you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity." --Matthew 23:27-28

    Jesus disdained "institutional" religion, and his disciples warned us against going in that direction.

    "But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people." --2Timothy 3:1-5

    "But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves... Religion that is pure and undefiled before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction [ie, to do good works], and to keep oneself unstained from the world." --James 1:22,27

    I will not deny that Christianity is a religion. I'm just saying that sinful man has perverted the message of Jesus, and turned Christianity into something that is much like what he himself railed against.

    do you not go to Church? Study the scriptures? At the moment I am not attending church on a regular basis. And I do not consider study of the scriptures as constituting "rites, rituals or ceremonies".

    And if Christianity is not a religion, then neither is Islam, or Judaism, for they are also about a personal relationship with God, be it Yahweh or Allah. Aren't they? And the same for Hindus, Buddhists, Krishnas etc etc. No. I do not believe that any other religion professes the same sort of personal relationship with God that Jesus spoke of. Naturally, all religions establish "a relationship" with God (or gods). But that is all.

    Modern theology has taught its followers to put themselves first, to ignore the needy, to take an eye for an eye and to do unto others before they do unto you. Perhaps you speak of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church? Or Father Phleger's church? Just kidding. I wouldn't exactly call those churchs of the "Christian right". As for the beliefs and practices of evangelicals, I can assure you that most teach the Word of God correctly. Being the atheist I believe you to be, you should refrain from characterizing what goes on in churches you have never attended.

    I am so special that I cannot possibly be descended from apes, fish or primordial slime – indeed, I am a reflection of a the superior being that created me. I personally am not a very good reflection of the supreme being that created me. I acknowledge that I am a sinful man. I ask God to forgive me and try to do better. However, I do seek to reflect a higher image, for sure. If you wish to be a reflection of primordial slime... so be it.

     
    At 6/18/2009 12:07 PM , Blogger Hawkeye® said...

    Therefore it is unscientific... in another word, irrational. That is a non sequitur. Because something is "unscientific" does not make it irrational. Take for example art, poetry, music, theater or humor. The creation of such works may employ some "scientific" principles (geometry, rhythm, meter, lighting) or materials that were manufactured using "scientific" processes (metal, paint, fabric), but the work itself may be very "unscientific", and yet not "irrational". Some such works stray completely from scientific principles such as geometry, rhythm, meter, etc, but likewise cannot be considered irrational. There is more to life than science and that which can be touched or measured. There is joy, anger, love, ecstasy and disappointment. These cannot be touched or measured (except perhaps through proxy methods), but they are real nonetheless.

    Well, that's about it for now. I cannot continue to respond to your repetitious slamming of religion. You don't believe it, and that is apparent. Fine. I can't convince you otherwise. I DO believe and you can't convince me otherwise. Stalemate. No need to belabor our differences.

    However, being the "tolerant" person that you are, I am surprised that you: a) lump all religions into one category... irrational, b) do not appear willing to permit me my beliefs (no doubt because they are "wrong"), and c) mock me for my beliefs (intentionally or otherwise).

     
    At 6/23/2009 5:45 AM , Blogger Elroy said...

    ‘No. What I'm saying is that Jesus never intended for Christianity to become a 'religion' in the sense of outward trappings, rites and rituals.’

    Oops! Big fail! But how did it happen then? Wasn’t it all Paul’s fault?

    ‘The message of Jesus was that men should become "born again", that is, that they should experience an inward spiritual awakening in order to establish a true relationship with God.’

    Luke 17.21 says ‘The kingdom of God is within you’, so surely one’s relationship with God is, by that definition, non-prescriptive, that is, down to whatever one perceives God to be. That seems to be in line with the Christian Anarchists who are, as far as I can tell, the closest to Jesus’ techings.

    ‘Jesus blasted the religious leaders of his day because they appeared "holy" on the outside, but were wicked on in the inside...’

    Not much change there, then.

    ‘Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but within you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity." --Matthew 23:27-28’

    Oh yeah – it’s as if Matthew knew Benny Hinn personally!

    ‘Jesus disdained "institutional" religion, and his disciples warned us against going in that direction.’

    How come you know this but Jerry Falwell didn’t?

    ‘But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people." --2Timothy 3:1-5’

    So it's all over for the Republican Party!

    ‘But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves... Religion that is pure and undefiled before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction [ie, to do good works], and to keep oneself unstained from the world." --James 1:22,27’

    Hullo Plowshares Movement and Jonah House!

    ‘I will not deny that Christianity is a religion. I'm just saying that sinful man has perverted the message of Jesus, and turned Christianity into something that is much like what he himself railed against.’

    See? We can agree on religion too!

    ‘At the moment I am not attending church on a regular basis.’

    It sounds to me like you shouldn’t go at all.

    ‘And I do not consider study of the scriptures as constituting "rites, rituals or ceremonies.’

    Fair enough. But it still constitutes a religion.

    ‘No. I do not believe that any other religion professes the same sort of personal relationship with God that Jesus spoke of. Naturally, all religions establish "a relationship" with God (or gods). But that is all.’

     
    At 6/23/2009 5:47 AM , Blogger Elroy said...

    I do.

    ‘Perhaps you speak of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church? Or Father Phleger's church? Just kidding. I wouldn't exactly call those churchs of the "Christian right".’

    Nor would I. I speak more of Hillsong, the Southern Baptist Convention and the whole ‘Gospel of Prosperity’ routine.

    ‘As for the beliefs and practices of evangelicals, I can assure you that most teach the Word of God correctly.’

    Uh oh! Cognitive dissonance alert! The evangelicals teach in a church! So how can they be correct? Surely, by your standard, merely being in a church is to misunderstand the teachings of Jesus?

    ‘Being the atheist I believe you to be, you should refrain from characterizing what goes on in churches you have never attended.’

    As long as you keep quoting science, depend on me to keep enquiring about the church.

    ‘I personally am not a very good reflection of the supreme being that created me. I acknowledge that I am a sinful man. I ask God to forgive me and try to do better.’

    But God is within you, so surely its up to you to forgive yourself. Personal responsibility, remember? Don’t pass the buck and put it all on God.

    ‘However, I do seek to reflect a higher image, for sure.’

    Hmm. That doesn’t sound overly humble.

    ‘If you wish to be a reflection of primordial slime... so be it.’

    I don’t want to be reflection of primordial slime, and that’s OK because I’m not – I am a reflection of chemical chance and the march of time.

    ‘That is a non sequitur.’

    No, it isn’t. A non sequitur is when one states a conclusion that does not strictly follow from the premise. I posit, however, that ‘irrational’ is a synonym for ‘unscientific’, a substitute, an alternative, a euphemism, an equivalent, another word for…

    ‘Because something is "unscientific" does not make it irrational. Take for example art, poetry, music, theater or humor. The creation of such works may employ some "scientific" principles (geometry, rhythm, meter, lighting) or materials that were manufactured using "scientific" processes (metal, paint, fabric), but the work itself may be very "unscientific", and yet not "irrational".’

    Art is, by it’s very nature, irrational.

    ‘Some such works stray completely from scientific principles such as geometry, rhythm, meter, etc, but likewise cannot be considered irrational.’

    Yes they can.

    ‘There is more to life than science and that which can be touched or measured. There is joy, anger, love, ecstasy and disappointment. These cannot be touched or measured (except perhaps through proxy methods), but they are real nonetheless.’

    Sure, but they aren’t rational unless they are being measured as electrical impulses of the pre-frontal cortex or somesuch.

    However, don’t misunderstand me – I have nothing against irrationality. Humour, art, music, literature, they are all irrational and I love them all dearly – indeed, I revel in them on a daily basis and would not like to live in a world without them, yet I recognize that I cannot measure their quality or intrinsic worth in any empirical way.

     
    At 6/23/2009 5:47 AM , Blogger Elroy said...

    The point is that I can sort the rational from the irrational – I know which is which and I don’t get them mixed up, so I don’t agree that Intelligent Design be taught alongside evolution as a credible scientific discipline. Many Christians, however, disagree.

    ‘Well, that's about it for now. I cannot continue to respond to your repetitious slamming of religion.

    It’s not a matter of ‘slamming’ religion – religion has its place, and in general imparts a message of peace and tolerance – if only its practitioners would pay more attention to this feature, the world would be a happier place.

    You don't believe it, and that is apparent. Fine. I can't convince you otherwise. I DO believe and you can't convince me otherwise. Stalemate. No need to belabor our differences.’

    I’m not trying to convince you otherwise, I was merely discussing the disconnect between your love of hard science when it suits your agenda and your Christian beliefs when it doesn’t.

    ‘However, being the "tolerant" person that you are…’

    Tolerant I am – I will tolerate just about anything except intolerance.

    ‘I am surprised that you: a) lump all religions into one category... irrational…’

    I’m sorry, but a belief in an unseeable sky-god who knws everything and constructed the entire planet in under a week is irrational. There’s nothing wrong with being irrational, just don’t pretend it isn’t when it is.

    ‘b) do not appear willing to permit me my beliefs (no doubt because they are "wrong"), and c)’

    I am more than willing to allow you to believe whatever you want to – knock yourself out – but if those beliefs encroach upon those that don’t believe, be ready to discuss the matter.

    ‘…mock me for my beliefs (intentionally or otherwise).’

    I don’t mean to mock you, but if you are hurt by my pointing out some of the absurdities of your positions then maybe you recognize those absurdities yourself.

    Cheers

    Elroy

     
    At 6/23/2009 7:50 AM , Blogger Hawkeye® said...

    Elroy,
    My positions are not at all absurd. You are a legend in your own mind.

     
    At 6/23/2009 7:52 AM , Blogger Hawkeye® said...

    Elroy,
    P.S.-- I never said I believe in a one week creation. You assume to know more about my beliefs than you have a right to.

     
    At 12/11/2009 2:16 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Bad taste what that

     
    At 1/02/2010 1:43 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Speaking frankly, you are absolutely right.

     
    At 1/02/2010 3:02 PM , Blogger Hawkeye® said...

    Anonymous1,
    Regarding your post of 12/11/2009... sorry if you were offended, but I only report what I read.

    (:D) Regards...

     
    At 1/02/2010 3:04 PM , Blogger Hawkeye® said...

    Anonymous2,
    Regarding your post of 01/02/2009... Thanks for speaking "frankly". Glad that you agree.

    (:D) Best regards...

     
    At 1/04/2010 1:42 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    It is an amusing phrase

     

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