Let's Demand An Apology!
Muslims are great for demanding apologies. They demanded that the Pope apologize for his statements the other day concerning Islam. When he did apologize, then they said it wasn't good enough... they wanted more. So they started protesting.
Well, I've had enough! To quote a famous movie line, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it any more!" Now it's MY turn. I'm demanding an apology from the Islamofascists. That's right... the fascists. The ones who want to impose their will on the rest of us by means of force. That, by definition, is a fascist. Not all Muslims are fascists, but far too few Muslims decry the violence and criminal behavior of their fascist brethren. Where is the outcry? Where is the denunciation?
We should all demand an apology. I think bloggers everywhere should demand an apology. We ought to pick a date and flood cyber-space with our demands for an apology. I don't know what date. Maybe November 11th (11/11)? And we should give the Muslims one month to apologize. Let's demand a "Muslim Day of Apology" on December 12th (12/12).
I want an apology for the following crimes...
I want an apology for the following tactics...
I want an apology for the following cultural crimes...
Since it is unlikely that we will get any apologies from those who commit such atrocities, we should demand an apology from each and every mosque, from every Muslim government, from every Muslim news outlet, and from every organization that represents Islam or Muslims. Their apology should be public... on TV, Radio, Internet, or in the Newspapers. If the terrorists won't apologize, then their "peace-loving" brethren ought to do it for them. The "Religion of Peace" seems to offer the world nothing but violence, terror... and silence. They want apologies? Well so do I!
posted by Hawkeye® -- Monday, September 18, 2006
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Seven Star Hand,
Sorry my friend, not only did I really disagree with your comment, but I didn't appreciate your self-important attitude... "Here is Wisdom" (just click here to go to my blog). You may or may not be wise, but you're definitely conceited.
Well that is quite a shopping list of demands, but hey, I can agree with it all. I guess the other guy didn't
Ms. RW,
They can apologize in a single sentence. I don't care. It's just a list of grievances that form the basis of my request for an apology. And nope, the other guy didn't agree.
Regards...
I don't disagree with your comments. It is kinda ironic that Islamists are protesting the Pope's comment about Islam being a violent religion by... bombing churches and killing nuns!!??
However, let's get a few things straight. Pope Benedict got himself into this mess ironically because in that speech which he read the text about Islam being a violent religion, a statement which I agree, he was actually attacking secularism.
This is the same man who, when he was Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, sent a letter to bishops instructing them not to divulge any details of the church's internal investigations into the sex abuse scandals to the public.
This is the same organization who paid millions of dollars to settle sex abuse charges.
Can't say that I have too much sympathy for Ratzinger's current plight.
Dang! You have me beat on summing it up. I am turning blue, holding my breath and waiting for even one Islamic leader to marginally admit they might be wrong about a thing or three.
I'm working on my own rant for UPI about this dichotomy of attitudes. That "Seven Star Hand" must've been spiking the limits for a deletion. You have my link posted, so I won't toot the horn. Whatever he said to earn banishment, I'll bet it was a hot pistol remark.
Going through your remarkably concise list, do you honestly believe there is even one thing these heathens will acknowledge as wrong?
The Pope:
"I'm deeply sorry that you took offense...but not for what I said."
(OK, so I paraphrased)
Sounds like a liberal to me...
#1. The Pope is not a liberal. He was being gracious when he apologized for the offense. The difference between that and a liberal is that the Pope spoke the truth and apologized for the reaction. When a liberal speaks innuendo and causes a 'hurtful' reaction, they don't apologize for thier misleading speech. And don't get twisted, I am not saying all liberal speech is based on false information. I am pointing out that when it is - it isn't recanted.
#2 As far as Cardinal Ratzinger telling the Bishops not to discuss the cases with "public", it was more like the media. Why? Because as usaual, the media zealously misrepresented the Catholic Faith. I think you have oversimplified a very complex issue.
#3 The Church didn't 'pay off' the victims in the sex abuse scandal with hush money.
Why is it if we're talking about the muslims apologizing for their incredibly uncivilized behavior, it is an oppurtunity to bash the Catholic Church?
Next you'll be calling Pope Benedict XVI Muhammads' Pope because he's attempting to end the persecution of catholics ( and I would imagine he is concerned with non-catholics also) in arab controlled areas.
Oh, my goodness, Hawkeye! How very, very politically incorrect of you!
I agree wholeheartedly!!!!!!!
BTW, how is it possible to be sorry for someone elses actions/reactions?
I started getting a headache with all the Islamic atrocities. It's pretty unbelievable to hear these Muslims DEMAND a holy man like the Pope, who was right, by the way, give an apology for saying something true about their prophet. Pope Benedict is a far greater prophet than Mohammed and has done far more good.
WCL,
Even if anything you said is true, this has nothing to do with sex scandals. This has do with right of a Church leader to speak his mind... and for that matter, to speak the truth. If we can't speak the truth anymore without offending someone, then we have lost our freedom of speech. If we can't talk about whether or not some people are violent, then we have taken Politcal Correctness to an absurdity.
Possum,
No, 7-Star's remard wasn't that "hot", just long-winded, naive and self-important. As far as expecting an actual apology, I'm not holding my breath. They certainly wouldn't do it just for me. But if it got enough attention around the world, we might hear something from somebody.
Marge,
Don't you think that if some maniacs were running around blowing up people and cutting heads off in the name of Christ, that the rest of us wouldn't be crying out with a loud voice that those people were not true Christians and don't represent the rest of us? Don't you think we would be apologizing for the behavior of the maniacs and trying to help the victims in whatever way we could? Where is the outrage? Where is the denunciation?
Amy,
Amen. Let's face it. Nobody is perfect. Christians are perfect either. But Christ's teachings will bring us closer to peace than the "religion of peace" ever will.
Maggie,
Yeah. And maybe we should burn down a few embassies too, and act like stupid nut cases? Whaddya think?
(:D) Regards...
Hawkeye:
As I've said earlier, I do not disagree with what the Pope said about Islam, even though he later disavowed his own words.
The problem is that he does not have a right to criticize Islam. The Roman Catholic church, as an institution, has no right to criticize anybody. It is pure HYPOCRISY. The crazy Islamic mullahs can easily come back and say that the Pope is the head of an organization rigged with pedophiles and child-molesters and guess what? They are right.
People with common sense should be able to figure out what Islam is all about without church leaders or politicians telling them so.
WCL, since when does being a Catholic mean losing a right to free speech? You claim to agree with the Pope, that's usually the one occasion when liberals support free speech. (It's everyone libs disagree with they want censored.) It's astonishing that you would compare a religion where a MINORITY of its representatives behaved badly (and against that religion's teachings) to one where NOT ONE representative will condemn shooting a 65 year old Nun in the back four times, simply because it is NOT inconsistent with their teachings. But apparently this is less about reality than church bashing.
Shelly:
I didn't say that the Pope does not have a right to speak but he does NOT have a right to say what he said cos it is downright hypocritical.
Look at it this way. If I have been convicted of child molest, do I have a right to criticize someone who commits arson?
The way I see it is NO.
I agree with the pope's words and would even take it further than what he said. It would be better if the person who said it does not have a blemished record of his own.
Btw, I assume that you are aware that the Catholic church is NOT an accurate reflection of Christ's teachings, to say the least. And no, this has nothing to do with the sex abuse scandals.
West Coast Lib has spoken so it must be so. Hard headed and ignorant. If a molester can't criticize an arsonist, then you can't criticize anyone because I am sure your shinny halo is tarnished. Since I don't agree with you. I can criticize whomever I want and I am not perfection. Pass me the burka and behead me for a "hypocrite."
Stupid is as stupid does.
tired of it all:
You and I clearly have a difference of opinion and the difference boils down to one thing: humility
I'm not a big fan of pointing out the faults of others given the fact that I am hardly one to brag about perfection.
You, on the other hand, have no qualms about doing so.
Having said that, let me make it clear that this is all about proportion and relevance.
If the Catholic church is not perfect because some bishops mis-managed money or some priest had an affair with a woman, that's not desirable but it is hardly a big deal.
However, the Catholic church is guilty of causing direct harm against innocent people, children no less. And these acts of atrocity are hardly isolated to a few churches. Now, the leader of the Catholic church has made a statement about another religion causing hurt and harm towards innocent people??? No doubt the statement is true, but coming from Ratzinger?? gimme a break..
tired of it all:
btw, it is also pretty obvious that you're full of it, crap that is.
If you get pulled over for speeding in a school zone, I'm sure you'll BE FINE if someone convicted of DUI criticizes your speeding ticket.
Please, Hawkeye,tell me that you have hired a 'ringer'aka known as "West Coast Liberal" ,just to make us think and add some 'spice ' to "View."
Naw,you wouldn't do anything like that ,adding Venom and Gall serves no purpose.
Talk of Anti-Catholic hatred,this Lib takes the cake.
So, according to WCL, neither Kerry nor Kennedy are ever allowed to give an opinion on anything ,especially pertaining to religion , because they are Catholic? Or is WCL accusing Pope Benedict of being a pedophile?
Hmmmm.Didn't somebody say"Let he who is without sin......?" There is also something about Motes and Eyes and Beams.
Oh, BTW doesn't it say in the Q'uran something about Mohammed being a pedophile? 9 year old 'wife'.?
Barb,
Well, no. The Q'uran never speaks about Mohammed being a pedophile. That is simply a historical fact, and Muslims prefer to ignore it. He also suffered from seizures of some sort. He received his "visions" during these seizures. He was probably epileptic or something, and his visions were probably delusional.
And no, I didn't hire WCL. That would be like buying a swarm of mosquitoes.
(:D) Regards...
Barb:
It is a joke that you would mention the biblical phrase "let who is without sin cast the first stone".
It is obvious that the Catholic church, which is waist-deep in sin, is casting the stone at Islam, which is prob chest-deep in sin.
You clowns need to leave this country and leave the Dobson/Falwell/Robertson brand of pseudo Christianity. I would recommend Asia, prob China, Vietnam or Cambodia. Visit the Christian churches there. Those churches are the closest you would find to what God has in mind.
WCL,
Enough with the Catholic Church and hypocrisy, OK?
First of all, the Pope made his comments in a lecture to students at a university. The Pope himself was a university professor back in 1959, and he was reliving his early days... grateful for the opportunity to speak to students about philosophical and historical issues.
The Pope was not issuing an Encyclical. He was not giving a press conference. He was truly NOT speaking to the public. He was giving a lecture to students. I'm sure he had no idea his comments would attract much attention or be widely publicized.
His statements about Islam were not even his own. He was quoting an Emperor Manuel II Paleologus from 1391. The Pope didn't even say he agreed with the quote. He just said that it was something "I found interesting and which can serve as the starting-point for my reflections..."
Another part of the quote also seems to have been lost on the media, the part where Paleologus essentially equates Judaism, Christianity and Islam... "as they were called - three "Laws" or "rules of life": the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Qur'an." Why is it nobody picked up on that one? Not controversial enough, I guess. Silly me.
The Pope also mentioned a lot of other people and ideas in his lecture which no one has reported on. He talked about Kant, Socrates, Plato, Augustine, Thomas, Pascal, de-Hellenization, "sola scriptura", Cartesianism and The Enlightenment. Gee, I wonder why nobody picked up on that stuff either.
You can read the whole lecture HERE.
Perhaps the most ironic thing about this whole situation is that while everyone has been focusing on a few words by the Pope taken out of context, the reaction of the Islamic militants merely exemplifies the very premise of the Pope's lecture. What the Pope was actually speaking about throughout the lecture, was the issue of "faith and reason". The Pope asks a very profound question about whether or not "acting unreasonably contradicts God's nature."
He quotes the Q'uran which says in surah 2, 256 "There is no compulsion in religion". He then refers to the Emperor Paleologus, who "goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul".
So what do the Islamofascists do in response to the Pope's comments? They act completely UNREASONABLE! They act with VIOLENCE!
The Pope's response should have been... "QED".
Hawkeye:
You don't need to lecture me about Islam. I'm to the right of the Pope and prob you as well, in terms of attitude towards Islam.
The problem with clowns like yourself is that you have no damn clue what is going on. It's not the Islamofascists that are burning effigies of the Pope in public. The Islamofascists have no time for petty stuff like that. They are only interested in suicide bombing. It's regular people (students, taxi drivers, shop owners, etc..) that are doing that. These are the so-called "moderate Muslims". Moderate my ass...
As far as the Pope goes, I stand by my earlier comments. I have no sympathy for what he is going through now. Someone needed to put him in his place anyways. It just so happens that it's 1 billion lunatics who's doing it.
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